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Toekomstige GTA's met V8 motor????

di jul 12, 2005 15:34

Maserati and Alfa Romeo to collaborate closely

Although the Spyder will continue to use a modified version of the M139 platform, Maserati’s future will see close collaboration with Alfa Romeo. As Fiat Chairman Luca Cordero di Montezemolo told journalists towards the end of June, a Maserati crossover is in the works with the aid of Alfa Romeo technology.

Logically this would imply the use of the Premium platform, and for Alfa Romeo this could provide the Kamal SUV project (or similar) with a clear cast future. A new low-cost Maserati sportscar is also being studied by Pininfarina with a targeted retail price of 80,000 euros, which will undoubtedly fully exploit the technological synergies of the two brands. It is unlikely that this particular project will evolve past the drawing boards, however, with the GT Wagon project currently having superiority over funds.

Similarly, little R&D budget is available for Alfa Romeo projects, with the recently completed Alfa 159, Sportwagon, Brera and Spider models having consumed a lot of it. As a result, projects including the Alfa 147 replacement (Progetto 940) have been prolonged until income from the 159 and Brera is generated. An appearance of the Alfa Romeo 147 replacement in late 2006 is highly unlikely now.

A week ago, Maserati were actively testing prototypes at the legendary Nürburgring in Germany. These prototypes included a Quattroporte bearing a new engine, and a white GranSport fully loaded with measuring equipment. The question that arises is whether the engine lurking under the GranSport’s bonnet is fitted with Uniair to boost power from 400 bhp to somewhere in the region of 450 bhp. Using Uniair technology also improves fuel economy by around 15%.

Well-informed sources have recently mentioned the preference of a Maserati-derived 4.3 litre V8 engine by Alfa Romeo for their 159, Sportwagon, Brera and Spider GTA models. This engine - which is an evolution of the 4.244 cc GranSport unit - will be fitted with Uniair (which was recently showcased in the CRF Sportiva Latina at the Barcelona Motor Show) and will allegedly pump out 440 bhp at 7000 rpm with 505 Nm of torque. The engine has similar dimensions to Alfa’s V6 and only weighs 183 kg. With minimal modifications, open to after market tuning specialists, the Maserati V8 has the potential to deliver well over 500 bhp. An out-bored, in-house high output variant, for use in possible future Alfa Romeo Supercars and the 169 GTA, is also under development, and will yield approximately 500 bhp.

A benefit of this V8 engine over the initial plan to use a twin turbo version of the 3.2 JTS V6 is the reduced torque (505 Nm compared to the Biturbo 3.2 V6’s asphalt-ripping 680 Nm), enabling the possibility to not only have a 6-speed automatic transmission but also manual and Selespeed options as well. Another problem with the serial Twin Turbo 3.2 litre V6 engine, which has been actively tested under an Alfa Romeo 166 prototype, lies in the power-band, with maximum power being achieved at only 6000 rpm.

True to the Gran Turismo Allegerita tag, these high performance Alfa’s will be lightweight: the 159 GTA will have a 130 kg weight reduction. The V8-engined GTA’s will retain AWD, as the V8 engine is to be mounted transversely similar to the old Lancia Thema 8.32. Part of the weight saving objective could be achieved through using high-performance parts such as Brembo CCM (Composite Ceramic Material) brakes. These alone weigh 30% less than alternative cast iron discs, and are currently used on high performance cars such as the Ferrari F430.

Offering top end performance is a prerequisite in future Alfa Romeo’s, strongly understood by Alfa Romeo engineer Paulo Massai, who believes that future cars should offer more power than their competitors. Centro Ricerche Fiat also play a crucial role in this respect, having developed the Uniair system, as well as a high performance adaptive rear differential which will feature on the more powerful models. Another recent design, which may be used on future GTA cars, is a retractable front spoiler mounted aerodynamic barrier, offering additional braking in a method similar to that of the Mercedes-McLaren SLR. Clearly, future GTA models will surpass the 250 km/h limit imposed on their German counterparts, requiring all the stopping power available.

By James Granger

http://www.italiaspeed.com/2005/cars/ma ... /1207.html

Hmm.......of het nou een gerucht is of niet, het is wel interessant. :-k
En dan eindelijk een ECHTE italiaanse motor ipv zo'n afvalproduct van GM. :twisted:
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RE: Toekomstige GTA's met V8 motor????

di jul 12, 2005 16:55

klinkt als een leuk bericht

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RE: Toekomstige GTA's met V8 motor????

di jul 12, 2005 16:57

Die verstelbare voorspoiler, waar ken ik dat ook alweer van? Zou er ook een koffertje meegeleverd worden? :D
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di jul 12, 2005 17:47

Die verstelbare voorspoiler, waar ken ik dat ook alweer van?
True, true! :mrgreen: :thumbs:
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RE: Toekomstige GTA's met V8 motor????

di jul 12, 2005 19:09

Klaaaaaaaaasssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Toekomstige GTA's met V8 motor????

di jul 12, 2005 21:32

:x geen V8 maar aub transaxale met de oude 12klepper!
zal wel niet helemaal reeel zijn

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RE: Toekomstige GTA's met V8 motor????

vr jul 22, 2005 08:41

Dit bericht staat op Alfabb. Hopelijk vertoont de geteste 159 wat kinderziekten maar zeker
is dat gewichtsbesparing, niet alleen voor een 159 GTA V8, het model veel goeds zal doen.

Alfa 159 Per Autoweek
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3,836lbs, 3.2L 256hp, Q4, 0-60 8.6sec. Article goes on to say that Alfa could return in 07, could be big announcement at the Pebble Beach concurs and needs to shed some big time weight!

Said the Q4 unit is heavier than it should be due to budget constraints and that they will have to spend some money to reduce weight. Thats about 400lbs more than a 3 series bimmer.

8.6sec definitely will not cut it...my Caravan would give it a run for its money.
This is the first dissapointing news that I have read on the new Alfa, that weight is a killer. Did say that rigidity is 30% more than BMW though. __________________
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